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>> i say that since my expect producer -- he knows that one day last week he called me and woke me up at 5:45 am. >> to go on the air? >> at 6:00. and his exact words were, are you coming in today? i said, yeah, what time is it? he goes it's 5:45. i said, yeah, i think i'll be there. and so i jumped up and ran and got there. i get there on time, actually. it's a great thing about new york at 5:50 in the morning. you can get anywhere in five minutes. ..
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is. >> and also a wake up in the middle of the ninth and this may seem horrible to some people but if you love this stuff is exciting private rollover and pick up the blackberry and i will look anc has anything happen? the people that came in at midnight what do they look at? i put it down and go back to sleep when i wake up, with it is sort of brewing morning show is brewing 24 hours per day until we are ready to go out the top of the show.
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>> where reborn educated and raised? >> guest: pour in atlanta georgia base suburb of atlanta. now in the middle of the city but was on the outskirts. my dad worked for lockheed martin we thought it was normal for people to have paintings of airplanes in there linger we would go to use a new school and it was the their missiles, planes, or apollo rocket ships. i did not need to ask my dad would he was thinking. when we would go to church, this call on sunday. it really was the wonder years. it was middle america. it was the suburbs and a great child hybrid removed around we got transferred with two
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mississippi. been removed to upstate new york or fibers six years than resettled in florida of. pensacola where my mom's side of the family is from. we went to public schools for most of my schooling. one of my best experiences was 1969 being the first class of the integrated school my parents did not send us to private schools were a lot of the white flight had gone because 69 was the first your misses a beat schools were integrated. it was a great experience. my mom said she did not want me to go to kindergarten she kept me out so first grade was 50 percent white and 50 percent black and it had been the african-american
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school a year before. i finally went to private school and high school at pensacola catholic high school. i loved the nuns and they loved me back they let me get away with things they would not let others get away. i went university of alabama undergrad and then university of florida law school. >> host: of philadelphia in the executive producer at msnbc wants told me that you came to him after you left congress and you said to him of television news coming get me in the game. why did you were a hockey player and wanted to get us in the game i don't know why i remember that, but i do. why did you want to get into the game and what is the game? >> guest: i saw what happened with fox news which i thought really was something
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that some executives this should have figured out 20 years ago half the country is conservative and half the country is liberal than you should be able to turn on a network that is not yelling they are biased. they would say are you going to fox? that did not make sense i wanted to go to msnbc i wanted to balance it out and as you know, a lot, over the years there are a lot of frustrations. but really my view of msnbc and broadcasting my same view of politics is i want to expand it out. i don't mind going against the grain is everybody that it -- everybody is left-of-center somebody should be right of center the thing i have figured out over the years that msnbc is you can sit in a room and everybody who went to the same
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colleges, not just msnbc, all of the networks, everybody went to the same colleges, the same world view is the kids went to the same private school they all voted for the same candidate and they sit there and talk and you are in the black looking at this say oh my god than somebody says something so over the top you start laughing. when you're the only person sitting in the room for everybody else to look and say what are we missing? what i have noticed at msnbc, forget primetime they are focused just like focus -- box is focused on their own group that is our opinion page but people are a genuinely, and they want to be fair. they want to approach news fairly the same thing with nbc news of it is exciting to be a part of the process. >> and you bring your own perspective? >> guest: not only my own perspective but in a lot of
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states the perspective of a vast chunk of america whose perspective does not get into the newsroom in manhattan and actually getting e-mails from news executives during the past campaign saying i want you to know the new store that iran last night, without me complaining about it, we think it was biased and we are constantly working. i use that from all network executives. it is nice being a strange man in a strange land. >> host: why has "morning joe" taken off? and has got wonderful reviews from "the new york times" and "time" magazine. i know from my experience walking around in life and gets a big reaction from people. la i have been wondering if
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part of the popularity of the show house to do with the fact that the "morning joe" bulls have decided we do news and politics at a time when the broadcast network morning shows have gone abroad with cooking and dieting and exercise and and million others, you go narrow but maybe going deep also? >> guest: that is a good way to put it. we were told and every news and show is sold and the viewership is shrinking you have to use news a you can use which is what we have the news you can to to you segment more paris hilton and this and that and we decided to go completely against type and we decided instead of a shrinking is we would expanded at three
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hours and talk politics, foreign policy, issues of "war and peace" come economics and what we found very early on was why the deeper of the topic the deeper we dug them more i thought after walked off the set every time i would walk off the set i would say god, that was a great segment. that was fascinating. but it will not rates because it was too deep for the worse that tune in. but then it is the highest-rated segment. i can guarantee you you pick the times you are on the show and whenever you walk off saying that was a really, really intelligent discussion that will be the highest-rated segment of the day. it is so different not only from what is going on in the morning news shows but all across the tv dial and with
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the newspapers you have everybody wringing their hands. it is like conservatives wringing their hands. where do we go? what do we do? ronald reagan said conservatives conserve. a radical concept. news host should deliver news. i was standing in a long line and everybody was saying the same thing except for the one lady the senate was cute by half inter and thank your. the other one said its thank you so much. i cannot get serious news for three hours or two hours or one hour anywhere else. >> host: a genuine conversation? >> guest: there is the second part very quickly we don't shout or scream.
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this is not the left versus the right it is not crossfire 97 you are very familial on the set and it is all of people who disagree but it is a funny thing but the tone of peacefulness and affection is there and also helpful less. i notice on tv your on some shows where there is a guest and an interviewer they spend some time to settle we try to undermine each other but my sense with "morning joe" there is no undermining 81 it is not allowed. people have said critical things and i have taken them off to the side and i think my exact words happen in do, if you want to come back on this show again you treat everybody up there with respect. if you don't want to come back then keep doing it. we have no problem for growth
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we don't care who would is. first of all, we don't care because we have such tremendous guessed that if one person wants to go and insults without them but undermines the show is about he has picked up the phone and it is if people set both others if one guess keeps cutting off others the producer will call them up and say go do that somewhere else. >> host: do congressmen and senators and governors call you to be on the show floor and do you call them? does chuck schumer say i want to talk about this and get meet in the game? or normal late each day they
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call? >> guest: a lot of congressmen and senators and book writers and columnists that call-up and want to be in the show which is nice. our problem is the rotation of guest with all of these people that want to be on the show where we put them? and sometimes we put too many on in one morning been you have news that breaks and that is a great challenge that is what i stopped talking and i start playing train conductor. one more thing about chuck schumer because i slammed him all lot. chuck schumer is a guy who would not come on the show because i went after her really hard about some of the judges that were not elevated specifically because they were hispanico african american. he actually called up and said
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i wanted to come on and go man-to-man with joe and he did. we talked and while i disagree with probably 90% and he disagrees 90% we had a the respect that goes back and forth and that is what makes the show work. >> host: what have you learned about politicians since you started interviewing them on tv. you used to be one of them, you do certain things as a political figure used to be the guy in the house that was going for the four men tipoff on hardball now you're anchoring them by doing the four minute pop. what have you learned being on the other side of the table. >> guest: i should not say this, but thank you so much connie chung said to newt gingrich's mother this is between you and me.
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there are exceptions but i am surprised how bad politicians are at getting their message across and how effective they are. >> host: because they don't know how to communicate or they are not that bright or not that well read on their subjects or are they in the eight ideological or philosophical press? >> guest: you tell me. has the quality of senators going down over the past 20 years? >> host: i don't know. used to be there 51 i don't know i am surprised by some questions that i asked that cannot be answered by leaders of both parties. i worked with nancy pelosi a good bit we interviewed her i was surprised by some of the answers i was surprised by how terrible she handled the cia
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issued john boehner these are people i genuinely like but i am surprised how republicans have been steering and a staggering and a john boehner is asking in the press conference leading more bailouts and he says that is a good question. plywood's apolo's the head of the republican party should probably have a world view on whether there should be more bailouts in the future when there is exceptions double sidee good about what they do and don't just talk about life and the talking points to 720 think of a politician right now as a smart and intelligent figure is there one person you think of right away? >> guest: no.
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i think on the house republicans' side i think all right and is one guy who i am impressed with he is a conservative who does not scare the kids. >> host: he is having a moment and a big believer if we republicans are going to win outside the south that may be good to have leaders that don't talk with a southern accent. this comes from the guy who lives in atlanta, alabama, mississippi and florida and a southern conservative. but right now we are in new england, the midwest the pacific northwest and and because some people think of the republican party they think of newt newt gingrich, george w. bush tom delay and dick armey, guys with a texas accent. >> host: what is wrong with that? >> ronald reagan and barack
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obama have been able to find the middle of american political life and maybe it is the midwestern sensibility? am not sure what it is but you cannot be confined to the south park out why did ronald reagan offense so many people in europe at the time? even though he was right and was proven right and i think he 3,100,000,000,000 europeans there was the cowboys swagger that scare them. even reagan that i never saw that. george w. bush had that swagger. in the same with tom delay it does not translate well in new england. >> host: let's get to the book. i have 1 million questions.
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let me preface it with this when you were young and coming up living in florida, at some point* he became political and made a decision to be conservative and to be a republican or you started to think of yourself as a conservative. how did that happen? what went into the making of a conservative in your case? >> it was the time that i got interested in politics, jimmy carter was president. i was 17, 18, my senior year. we had the iranian hostage crisis, inflation at 21%, i talk about this in the book where liberals liberal from berkeley california came up to me and said why is it that all
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of you katz with energy and come your all conservatives? in my day you would be on my side. i said when you think of the republican party you think of vietnam, watergate, you see conservatives as opponents to civil-rights and i understand it by gripping your time perhaps i would be a liberal teaching at berkeley. but i think democrats, the iranian hostage crisis, why the hell would i want to be a democrat? of course, reagan came in and there are a lot of us. i played in bands with guys with her down to the belt who smoked pot as much as i drink "milk" and they liked reagan and it was because at that time will it one day from jimmy carter to being president and american and not being able to do anything with
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the iranian hostage crisis to the next day ronald reagan being sworn in and the iranian said take them we don't want them anymore. he came in and he was so confident. that was one part of it. i grew up in the shadow of the effects of the 1960's. my sister had a lot of friends she listened to jefferson airplane and my parents would go downstairs and find different things in her room every night and i would hear the screaming and yelling which is all very natural but seemed very radical in 1971, 72, 73 and three were very conservative baptist family. but i did not see that in my sister because she has done wonderful but oliver friends some of them getting knocked
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out by a drugs were getting knocked up for getting pregnant. the chaos. palm i was a six years younger i saw everything through my parents' eyes price of them looking out the window and looking at kids who were boys gs three years earlier suddenly with her down here with ripped up close and then being horrified and i saw it to them. my 21 year old son will go out and have dinner and order a beer i will still be ordering i steve. why did you ever drink beer? i don't know by associated and it has nothing to do with me thinking that it is evil. i am very open-minded.
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i am more conservative politically than i am personally. but i think there was such a reaction against the radicalism that i talked about the wonder years. those changed very quickly 97 you saw the downside and you did not love a. a lot of people saw their older brothers and sisters go a little wild and did not have a great impression as the older ones did. >> guest: that is true. almost like my age deny crop looking at the older brothers and sisters and saying cool. they are saying what losers. we would go play with all. personally that was a reaction to the 60s that i think a lot of parents had as well. >> host: let's do the
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book, "the last best hope" what is "the last best hope" is of america, a conservative is some, the republican party, the american people? what is it "the last best hope"? >> guest: it is conservativeism but the way it has been defined over the last two centuries by edmund. and bill buckley is a great line where i quote abruptly and he is asked about george w. books he says it who george w. bush's no conservative. conservatives whether we like and not leave it are chained to reality. that is what you help me out on if you want to boil the message down it is we are part of our time we are chained to
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reality we cannot give eight inaugural address the respect reality you do not as buckley said you do not go into iraq and say we're going to bring democracy to these people and they will throw flowers at us and it will be okay. you do not give inaugural addresses were you say we will end tyranny on the globe those of the president's word. but is utopianism. that is wilsonian. >> host: weirdly aggressive. >> guest: one, but that is the deal but one of the reason republican almshouse who are having a hard time they are told we have lost power because we have not been conservative be enough. no. that is not the case. it is also not the case 1/2 to
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go to the center ideologically. they lost power because they were too radical they're not conservative they were radical when you take $155 billion surplus which is what we had when i left congress in 2001 and you turned into a 1.5 trillion dollar deficit that is not conservative that is radical. when you have but inaugural address when you decided is the army's responsibility to end tierney across the globe upheld you have gone so far behind the weinberger doctrine that says we come ashore only when obsolete necessary to protect the u.s. interest. if then we threw everything we have got at it and kill the enemy and achieve the objective and bring our men and women who.
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the 7 trillion spent on medicare over the past eight years is radical. but as a program going bankrupt and george w. bush did republicans added a $7 trillion burden to that debt. we have to show restraint and understand the realities that are in front of us and conservatism is the answer. i believe and i talked about in the book, we are coming and trust me i am rights. i am right on this. we are coming upon a great conservative era in american politics. how do i know that? because we have no choice. we're out of money. we will have to make tough decisions it is part because of what george w. bush should now especially because what barack obama is doing the spending is remarkable. he has admitted we're out of money in his own budget creates deficits that are unsustainable.
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but even as he admits that you are talking about spending more money? why it is insanity. george to be bush may have been radical with tax dollars but barack obama is actually making him seem like a new england miser. >> host: you have been quoted saying of george of the bush that he fractured the conservative coalition, damaged in the republican party, hurts america's image in the world, i think your book party the other night you called it the trifecta. so it is my impression the republicans are not in love hearing such criticisms of george w. bush. what is that about and what is the position of george bush with the comeback of the republican party? how does the republican party get away from the bush?
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>> guest: i don't know. i wrote a book five years ago predicting that george w. bush spending would iraq the republican majority and was going to cripple the u.s. economy. >> host: did they get mad at you? >> guest: omega- i.d.'s. i can't writing about in 2006 and expanded it to iraq "the washington post" asked me to ride the op-ed to give suggestions to republican congressman how do stay in power? you have to tell the truth about your president that he is spending and it will cause a meltdown economically and then he has done everything wrong in iraq and we need to send more troops and narrow the mission. they got so angry with me that the white house when the governor asked me to go speak at an event the white house said if they let me speak they
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would pull all support for this governor if the state was not big enough for both george w. bush and joe scarborough ied have more concerns but sure enough the republicans lost, lost control. at that point* george w. bush had his moment where he did what i was suggesting he did more for iraq and then started to criticize big government spending. but it was too late. we just have to tell the truth. i personally like george w. bush and i always have. but he racked the conservative movement. if anybody can dispute that i love to hear their arguments. >> host: we will talk more about the comeback of the republican party and what mr. obama is up to but we will break for just a moment. we will be back.
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>> host: joe scarborough
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part two of the interview are we a center-right country? >> guest: we are. we have always been a center-right country. always. there is a great line that i never forgot in the book about the triumph of politics when he was complaining how the reagan revolution went off track for i have never forgotten it. stockman was 100% right to. when you said at the end of the book americans don't like revolutions. yes the regular -- reagan revolution fall but americans still look once revolution. they want evolution. fifth which is actually paul mccartney's a theory of the beatles' sees that never give them a revolution. give them the evolution. you don't go from the the bills -- me to the beatles to sergeant pepper. and i quote to gary wilson was
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writing for "the national review" in the morning after nixon when he said the liberal establishment woke up this morning and not be needed by middle america. not to be needed by a middle america who is a very values they have ridiculed and the previous years. the democratic party, it was a turning point*. the democratic party have lurched too far left. not ideologically they had been leftist in many respects. but i remember you talking wants about the violent eighth those of the peace movement. everything was so intense. >> host: i remember when i was a kid in college and lbj how many kids did you kill today was not a peace build
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question. >> guest: or henry kissinger he lied and people died. it was an anger that scared middle america. not politically. >> host: it looked at but the days to scare the 12 barrels looking at the 20 year-old's. you could say the same thing about barack obama. >> guest: how in the world who was one guy who was the most liberal member of the united states senate seen as the safe choice in 2008? because barack obama temperamentally seemed like the safe choice. he seemed like a safer choice and they and john mccain who some people last is the two old? does this guy say on the day that lehman brothers collapses that the fundamentals of the economy are sound? whether they were or not.
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>> host: [inaudible] >> guest: by thank you john mccain mitt was forced to take positions he did not believe. and drill, a baby, a drill. said john mccain was really the first green republican in the past 25 years barack obama seems like a safe choice when i say that there are a lot of conservative friends and my mother say how can you say that? i am not looking through the ideological lens. this is about temperament. it is about russell kirk talking about how conservatives conserve and established social order.
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>> host: this is one guy who works on tv and hears about how things look and is seen and the impression given. sometimes i think the world and america understood george w. bush to be right wing, a super conservative but he seemed a super conservative because he seemed to like eight white male from texas who was a little bit like a mess. so he seemed in the entire picture different from his policies. obama's may benefit in the same way and that he seems not radical, and not sharp as it
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to jagged and edgy but not a dramatic and very cool in his presentation and yet he is taking over the u.s. auto industry, spending like crazy, a big things are happening but he does not seem to dramatic. >> guest: doesn't that remind you of reagan who would drive the left crazy? they would wave their arms he is radical. he is a right-wing nut but he would sit there and smile. there they go in again. barack obama, temperamentally is doing the same thing he seems cruel temperamentally and down the middle. >> host: will we look back and see his time as a far left? >> guest: no doubt.
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listen. this guy has moved aggressively to take over the auto industry. he fired a the ceo of gm. he has passed a budget that racks up more debt over the next eight years then all 43 of the predecessors combined. combined. he has passed a budget that the director of the cbo says again come a democratic appointed, his budget is unsustainable. they will rack in the economy. the top democrats in the senate budget committee say these deficits will the story america. what does the president do? he passes the budget and people like me say they are so unsustainable everybody on the
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left and everybody says the leader of the republican attacks and then president obama says these seven sets are unsustainable. he is asked by c-span when are running out of money? >> host: we are already out of money. now let me tell you about the 1.5 trillion dollars i want to spend to nationalize health care because they already own the banks and the car companies are already own vast segments of the society no president has ever owned. spend more money i spend 5% of the gdp on a stimulus bill that was not even a stimulus bill. nancy pelosi dropped a political belzberg of you want to talk about radicalism fdr new deal spend two percent of america in gdp. barack obama stimulus bill spend 5% of america gdp. 5%.
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this spending i wish i could come up with a word other than radical to talk about what president obama and has done domestically there is no other word. it is radical. >> host: are you more inclined to be supportive and approving of the new president's foreign policy agenda? i know a lot of conservatives criticize going on the apology tour or holding back toward the world. in terms of foreign policy i think so far so good. i think it is a difficult world. the challenges are most extraordinary. i like him trying to put a new face on american foreign policy just by showing up he does. he does not have to try. but things get dark and
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somebody shows up and messes up. i am not against that he is a realist so far. look at the first five months. he is the opposite. talk about radical foreign policy george w. bush promising to end tyranny across the globe using the united states army and marine corps namely to do that. that is radical. i am not talking about afghanistan are even going into iraq i am talking about the mission inebriation a began in 2004 and 2005 and ignoring colin powell who said in 2003 you need to be careful boggling to iraq but if you go you better send more troops. colin powell being told in 2004 ... >> host: what happened with bush? hayes said i don't want to
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take over the world or go into countries. >> guest: let me say this very quickly if i can get to the chapter very quickly, i want to read, it is not here i can more or less remember listen to this quote by george w. bush. this is what he said in 2000 to seven you keep looking at it and i will cover with these words. i have found the year 2001 through 2009 intensely painful politically as a conservative be cut as a great coalition had a great movement, and a fractured dropped like a pane of glass by people who have not built that coalition. i thought the guise of
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building and the '60s, '70s, '80s, i saw how hard they work and how hard it was to bring it together. in a program hard to see were not allowed to say it was breaking. it was a terrible time. >> guest: i know. let me read this from george w. bush in 2000. we must me judicious in their use of the military. we will fight only when it is in the vital interest of the united states when our mission is clear and with the exit strategy is obvious. and if that is what we said every day to the clinton appointees that would come to the armed services committee in congress and reset it throughout the 1990's, what is the end strategy? are we going to be able to get our troops home? is another vietnam war beirut?
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we forgot all of are lessons what a conservative was or was not. getting back to barack obama i do not agree with everything on foreign policy but while his domestic agenda has been radical his foreign policy has been measured. in fact, look at the bush to administration and clinton administration this commander in chief if he continues along this path the first realist we have had since george h. w. bush. one more thing on brock obama's foreign policy, it is similar to ronald reagan of another aspect. neocons have tried to claim reagan as their own despite the fact that neocons trashed reagan from the first days in 1981 until the time he left office in 1989. they said he loved trade more
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than he liked it human-rights and he dealt with the soviets too much and they were enraged he sat down with gorbachev tried to strike arms-control deals but reagan's rhetoric was the opposite of obama's. he knew what we needed after jimmy carter showed weakness across the globe. reagan knew we needed to talk tough but he was a realist. he only send our troops into battle to times. >> host: talk about the evil empire. the evolution of candor he spoke truth as the american president for the first time in one generation but we need to remember he did not save eastern europe. he did diplomacy, honestly when fourth explaining was the way to go. >> guest: he was a realist with his foreign policy despite the fact that his
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rhetoric was pretty heated. the foreign policy establishment was shocked. if you look at reagan over eight years, he was not a neocon he was not a radical, he was down the middle. >> host: a modern 20th century conservative. >> guest: but he was a realist. when you look at how he used troops, diplomacy labeouf barack obama on the other side in actuality his policies like reagan were more real test on foreign policy. we have already established the unrepentant and radical for domestic. >> host: quickly to which it do you belong? >> i belong to the conservative movement.
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i don't know what the republican party is any more. i really don't i don't know. i think maybe it has 5410 years. >> why not one-year? there is a time limit of the republican party needs a conservative movement one halla bought more than the conservative movement needs the republican party. look at the money barack obama rates online and look at what ron paul raise online. here you have a libertarian conservative who raised more money than all of these mainstream candidates throughout the final quarter of 2007 a conservative leader can rise pri real conservative not want to find over the past quarter century that can raise millions and millions of
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dollars and make the republican party in the element it needs to reform itself or die. i am not sure what it will do. >> host: you talk in the book the u.s. house surgeons striking pieces of the advice of what this party ought to do or the republicans should do. quickly do want to tell us domestically? >> it has got to show restraint and spending first of all, that is how we got to where we are right now. yes. we have to spend money. the stage that we're in economically, but we have to understand again that the single issue that has unified conservatives throughout the years, moderate republicans, conservative or even liberals believe and less government. as i have heard you say and as i say in the book, that is the
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central relationship that must be understood between man and space, individual and estate that has the state's expense the right of the individuals contract. >> host: eight classic reagan republican risen in the era of which almost all agree americans have come to like state government. >> guest: budget that is just not true. that is not true. americans have not been given the alternative i hear the most conservative say they will lead to big government we are fdr children. that is not the case. i want in a district that has not elected a republican in since 1872 they hong the last republican. iran to abolish the federal
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education bureaucracy to give the money back to the states. iran to cut taxes and cut spending it was a libertarian message. and i got elected. not only did i get elected but 74 republicans talking about the same thing were elective. we were a small government conservative and maybe in washington not for 50 years 75 years. >> host: but the 2009 message. >> guest: we were elected 294 and reelected in 96 after shutting down the government to balance the budget we were elected in 98, 2000, 98, 2000, 2004, 2002, 2004, we were called radicals they called right-wing lunatics by the mainstream media. that is the message that can win again but i go back, ronald reagan
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understanding love that americans are going to follow not because of my ideology but because of my temperament. because they know i believe what i am saying. and they trust me. do you think or does anybody else really believe that america has started far left in the age of obama's? look at the polls. in 200030 percent of americans say they're conservative, 19 percent said they are liberal. in 2009 you know, how radical those numbers have shifted? one percentage point*. 30 percent of americans, 37% now. they say they are conservative and 19% only 19% still tell people they are liberals. this is not about ideology. a small government
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conservative who believes like reagan and buckley the greatness of america with individuals and not the ever expanding centralized states is that the message that can win and will win but republicans are not conservatives 1/2 to figure of how to deliver that message in a way that is not quite so depressing to middle america. >> host: the speech at the rate again library i said reagan building his coalition he couldn't never punch anybody could see was so busy holding out his hand. he literally said in 84, walk with me. i grant you got. >> guest: we want more people but there is discussion whether rewind colin powell in the republican party or not? it is insanity are we want a guy with a 72 percent approval rating that will look like republican senators in
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connecticut, massachusetts, and do we want him and our party or just a southern white to buy? we want everybody. >> host: you talk about in your buck we have just about four minutes when we do lightning round we have four minutes. five will give you some names of 20 and 21st century political figures give me a brief sense of your thoughts richard nixon. >> guest: brilliant and foreign policy is a still shaped by him and he still thinks he was framed. >> host: ronald reagan? we have done him. george w. bush. and bill clinton? your part of the newt gingrich class of 1994 and part of the impeachment process with clinton but looking back 10 years later did the republicans go too far?
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today we smirch themselves of all? >> guest: i am reminded of jesus christ superstar. mary matalin sings i don't know how to love him i still can i get my arms and around bill clinton but i do know i was driven to run by a anger, rage at bill clinton. i thought bill clinton represented everything that was wrong with america. i love with him i had no use for hillary clinton. it was visceral and i think it goes back to being a kid raised in the atlanta suburbs looking at the 60 radicals and looking from my parents side. 10 years later i read about this and i am embarrassed of some of the things i said about bill clinton that my
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goal at 46 as opposed 231 started to campaign to understand that everybody has something to bring to the table and to understand that while we could not stand bill clinton and he could not stand as we hated they she hated us as much as we hated him he thought we were from another planet and trying to undo all of the great things we achieve in the 1960's and beyond we now look at each other i really do like hillary clinton and so much because we have taken this arc and she is not the same hillary clinton that came to washington in 1993. we understand we bane each other's heads but we balanced the budget, reform welfare, pay down the debt, save medicare, bill clinton, joe scarborough and the right to gather showed the genius of james madison.
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this is what washington is supposed to be. this is what it is supposed to work and i found out when the president and congress hated each other works better because all of his garbage projects we struck out all of our pork barrel projects he struck out and it created a fraction that nablus and and and our founding fathers understood that makes america great. >> host: barack obama is fortunate but if he was more fortunate he would have a republican congress. >> guest: you are exactly right. >> host: they would tamper him domestically in be reasonable with foreign policy. >> guest: george w. bush would be a much better president with a democratic congress. >> host: he was better when he had a democratic congress. that was a great interview. thank you very much. >> guest: thank you
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. >> thank you all for coming there are a lot of the new faces here. i am your house. thank you very much. i will bask in this for a little while. i first heard the name would as a kid during the watergate scandal and there were all of these iconic names that came up during watergate of archibald cox, sam ervin, and we had to make ll's of who were the good guys and who were the bad guys because all of these names were all over
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the place. and then was definitely one of the good guys. the richard named -- the name richard re-emerged after the scandal which a place at ground zero which was my home birthplace of camden new jersey. richard was a defense attorney involved with that case. over the years his name seems to crop up in all of our lives from whitewater to 9/11 a with an extraordinary legal career that seems to

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